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Old 03-26-2003, 01:02 PM
david david is offline
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Andy Beall tried to implement a new function for the project I am working on but it does not work and he is currently away. I thought maybe you could help me with it. Basically you will find attached the files he sent me and following is the email he sent along. However the new function viz.noprojection is not working since, as soon as an object is loaded, it is viewed correctly, when it should not.


Here's the updated version of winviz and
You'll need to use these to replace their existing counterparts in the
/vizard folder (in the /vizard/bin and /vizard folders, respectively).

There's a new viz command called viz.noprojection(). Calling that
toggles between locking the GL_PROJECTION matrix as the identity or the
standard perspective camera. Applying the command pretty much
obliterates the rendering for now until you figure out how to combine
the PROJECTION and MODELVIEW together.

There's a script called in the /vizard/tutorial folder that
shows how to use transform object and the update() command to replace
the MODELVIEW matrix with an arbitrary 4x4 matrix.

Since I haven't actually tried updating with a combined PROJECTION and
MODELVIEW myself, I'd suggest doing a few real simple examples (maybe
see GL Redbook) to just verify that the overall theory does indeed work.
If you're having trouble, then either we are off on how to go about this
or there's something wrong with what I've done. Anyway, let me know
before you spend too much time thrashing.

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Old 03-26-2003, 03:34 PM
farshizzo farshizzo is offline
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Hi David,

Andy never told me about this, so I'm not sure exactly how this is supposed to work, but I went ahead and played around with it a little. Here's the new 'winviz.exe' file. Place it in the Vizard/bin directory. Please get back to me once you've tried it out so that I know it worked.

Good luck!

-- farshid
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Old 03-27-2003, 09:10 AM
david david is offline
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thanks Farshid,

It seems not to be working, which is a good start ;o) I have to do some more testing though to check that everything is going as expected and I'll keep you informed.

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Old 03-27-2003, 04:50 PM
david david is offline
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Well after a few test I am more and more puzzled. What Andy told me was that the noprojection() method would disable the perspective projection matrix by setting it to the identity. So I called the method and tried to update the viewing matrix by :
1- creating the matrix R generated by the OGL code glfrustrum(l,r,b,t,n,f). I found its expression in the red OGL book (appendix F of second edition) This is the perspective matrix that should have been set to the identity with viz.noprojection()
2- updating objects and/or main view point with R hoping that I will get the same result as when I just load the objects without the command noprojection()

But with none of these cases I get what I expect... Which brings those questions:

Where exactly is the viewing matrix hidden? Is it really what I am updating when I say <child>.update(matrix) or <viewpoint>.update(matrix)?
Is the perspective matrix right before the view matrix in the order of matrices multiplications?
Is the matrix in the red book correct and if yes, is it consistent with what viz uses?
Did I miss an important point?

Thanks a lot for trying to answer those questions

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